The public sentiment towards the proposed India-US trade agreement is overwhelmingly negative, characterized by skepticism about the US's intentions and strong concerns regarding economic sovereignty and agricultural interests. Many express a firm belief that India should maintain its self-reliance and not compromise its sovereignty for a potentially harmful deal with the US, reflecting national pride and a long-standing historical context.

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Government of India

Is it intentional so that countries will seek out Russia?

AreYouOkay123

This Trump guy is really fucking over the entire US economy ngl

Stunning_Wolf_9751

It feels like this is going to the new trend around the world. They are just going to sidestep America and do big deals with other countries

jreid0

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Rif55

https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/us-tariff-shock-gujarats-diamond-hubs-suffer-as-export-orders-dry-1-lakh-jobs-gone/amp_articleshow/123251451.cms

ClassicDrive2376

Trump has literally taken the US economy and skull f***ed it to the point that the world sees they don't need the US anymore.

hellbilly69101

Tbh, MEA must do a little bit to massage his ego and be more proactive in lobbying in DC. Ik lobbying isn't something very moral, but we must do something to communicate our stand clearly to the White House. Just a small block of Sandalwood with some Shashi Tharoor style English will do the trick on Trump.

EmbarrassedFig9129

thebigbadwolf22

areyouentirelysure

Prize-Grapefruiter

Will this demographic politics gain India stronger? 
What is the opinion

malayali-boy

Instead of making America Great, he's making all of our other rivals and competitors much stronger and us weaker.

Neat_Ground_8508

Relevant_Builder2231

इस सब के लिए तो ट्रम्प को नोबल पुरस्कार मिलना ही चाहिए 😂

shubhbro998

They just expect “peace negotiations” will yield something and just sit out this 😂

Ventriloquist_Voice

It's sad. Trump is just on a revenge tour and burning down the house before he sheds his mortal coil. Hopefully, he doesn't take us all with him. Even then, one of the three stooges will remain to cause chaos. Hegseth the Drunk, Miller the Nazi, and JD short pants.

Equal_Sprinkles2743

Admirable-Skill1182

It's amazing how stupid your average Redditor is. Don Taco is deliberately going hard on India to force this result. India is doing what Putin wants. India is doing what Trump wants. Celebrating alliances with Putin is moronic and doesn't make you look good no matter how you try to spin it.

India can do what it wants, and the world can remember that India is just as opportunistic as any other country. There's no moral basis for any of these decisions. Indians will probably pretend there was when it suits them though.

savetinymita

So what you are telling me India has major deficit with Russia and is an idiot for F up there relationship with the US. Got it

Dramatic-Cattle293

Tariffs are threats to US customers not a penalty on other countries despite what lies spew out from Trump about ‘x country will pay’. Trump literally has a gun to his own head demanding that other countries obey or he’ll shoot. It’s not surprising other countries may just say go ahead. The bigger problem is that the US is burning all its credibility as an economic or military partner with its repeated threats and abandoning every agreement is has.

Toolatethehero3

Propaganda, Indian petroleum companies owned by govt have not purchased any oil from Russia for last 4 weeks.

Private companies are purchasing Russian oil and selling it olto other nations at higher prices.

Indian govt is just doing online PR stunt, but reality is far absurd.

Yog_Maya

Trump is INTENTIONALLY destroying our country.

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Threeinchwang

Can we stop hyping everything as “master move” “massive blow to India’s enemies” “Chanakya neeti” blah blah… etc.,? This is just India trying to secure economic stability for itself and its citizens. I mean every other day you will read about China running circles around India with strategic international moves in geopolitics but Indian jingoes will just keep quiet and pretend like nothing happened  and then hype every move by India as the “great game” being played to outsmart the world … 😂😂

MoodyBhakt

Isolate and destroy it from within, we are so fucking complacent.

Material_Suspect9189

All those that thought Trump the as their friend is going to feel in the nuts sooner or later. And as each falls clutching his pearls, the next guy thinks he won’t be the next guy.

pqratusa

Yes. charging US taxpayers 50% for for India goods is really sticking it to Putin!.    
Trump- Im going to tax americans!

Every Country- Uh Ok.

Adventurous-Ad8826

That's not Putin. It's a double. He doesn't trust the Indians

Common-Summer-69

W India , now trump ur turn to return all h1b and their families to make more W India .

AsleepAd9785

This is very interesting, but how do goods physically flow between India and Russia? Pakistan and China are both somewhat  hostile (or at least unfriendly at the best of times). That leaves Iran as the only other route (or do they go past North Korea to Vladivostok, or via the Suez Canal?)

rrfe

CommercialKangaroo16

It’s like the Foundation series. Empire in order to prevent their ruin accelerates events that would lead to their ruin.

Adventurous-Star1309

4D chess? So buying just oil for little cheaper, to make your refineries to profit and no exports 
And 
Loose the market which wants you to be their manufacturing hub of everything instead of china?
Is this called 4D?

P.s. bending to Trump bully is not good, but dont try to show off like you gain something big by selecting russia

Appropriate-Limit746

only problem only 1 family is benefitting from this!! .,. why i dont get it...i just dont get it!

Feisty_Reason_6288

How about put a surcharge on US companies for every outsourced job that went to India over the last 10 years?  Say $25,000 per job per year?

Accomplished_Goat439

ironically 'chai' is also how you say tea in russian

Phoxx_3D

amitkoj

So much drama so that Ambani could buy cheap oil from Russia and sell it to Europe and we get tariffs from US.  Lol

FunnyIce7419

ApricotWest9107

Democrats when Trump tries to deal with Russia: Dictator! Puppet!

Democrats when India deals with Russia: Yeah! Take that, Trump!

You guys will even root for Russia if it's something you can potentially use against Trump.

AWatson89

Russia cannot increase import from India 18x times. It will buy unnecessary goods due to political reasons, but as soon as Putin kicks bucket any deals would be forgotten. 

So, no, it’s not a master move from economic standpoint. And it’s not good looks from political standpoint either. It’s like declaring “we support invasion in Ukraine, so what?”

It’s personal power move of Indian government who tries to sell “we don’t bend” message to
Its people.

Alpha--00

Is it useful to try and talk sense to Trump when the whole thing made no sense to begin with?

Any trade imbalance had better ways to deal with it than making Americans pay more.

Kanjo42

Literally no reason for a UK style tariff with India, Trump tariffs a nation and they bend the knee, the UK does not have the success rate Trump does

KeyConstruction2566

I think, from a Christian perspective, that trade links between the country with the largest Christian population, and the country with the largest population, would be a good opportunity for the global church.

Due_Ad_3200

Is it from a Christian standpoint or a biblical standpoint?.... That's what people should be trying to understand. Not all Christians are Christians. Anyone that calls themself Christians in doing evil are not Christians. Anyone that calls themselves Christian and condone evil it's not Christian. 

It's time for people to stop saying America is a Christian nation because it isn't a Christian nation. America is full of lawlessness full of wickedness full of evil and oppressiveness towards the poor people and the people who are of different nationalities and race.

Everything that is being orchestrated is purposefully to weaken the economy of America and to bring in the one world government and the Antichrist beats system.

It's time to discern the truth people. Peace be with you and to God be the Glory!!! ❣️

Lonely-Television931

Trump always sees everything as a zero sum game- I.e. I win, you lose kind of situation. So to force nations into a disproportional trade deal that overwhelmingly favors the US that he can sell to his voter base. 

One of the big holdup in the trade deal is : agriculture and dairy.  Trump has no regard for India’s redlines on agriculture or dairy sectors, cannot care less for the developmental imperatives that form the fulcrum of India’s economic policies, and seeks New Delhi to commit to zero tariffs for American goods in exchange for high double-digit levy on Indian exports to the US. It is none of Trump’s concern, for instance, that India has zero appetite for genetically modified American agricultural crops, and zero tolerance for American dairy products fed on blood meal because a vast majority of Hindu Indians are vegetarians

hinterstoisser

Despite being one of the few pro US voices in Indian subreddits, deep down I always knew the US was not a truly reliable partner. Still, I hoped the relationship would improve and strengthen over the long term(because of common Chinese threat). But Trump has dragged it under the ocean for good. This damage feels irreversible.

Generations of Indian youths who will be future policymakers and politicians, will remember this betrayal. The trust deficit created now will shape how India approaches its foreign policy for decades to come.

This trade drama is just the surface. In my opinion, a lot has happened in the past 2–3 months, both publicly and behind the scenes, that has led to the current mess.

Guess India should improve ties with China for good instead of trying to mend ties with US. Democrats or Republicans there is no certainty who will backstab India in future.

AIM-120-AMRAAM

It appears the Indian negotiators were far too naive and optimistic, the American negotiators were far too greedy and in the end Trump nuked the negotiating table when he decided he wouldn't be getting the kind of announcement he wanted.

From various articles, the sequence of events that led to this seems to be:

1. In July, India offered to essentially meet the Americans halfway with immediate concessions on 40% of American industrial exports and gradually some consumer products. They also offered $25 billion of American oil purchases. With Trump announcing a 'big deal with India' they actually believed he was satisfied and would at least give them an interim trade deal.

2. On the American side, Trump and his advisors wanted nothing less than an announcement that India would open up most or all of its economy *and* pledge $350 billion or more(comparable to South Korea, Japan and the EU) of US purchases.

3. When it was clear that India wasn't going to offer that much Trump brought up the Russian oil import(which he previously didn't care about) to tighten the vice on India. The announcement on 25% tariffs is meant to go into effect immediately but the one on 50% is intentionally timed for 2 weeks in the future in order to pressure India to surrender.

This is reminding me of Trump's first attempt at a trade war, with China, when tariffs were going up to 100%, 200% and so on. He seems to have realised that India would be a much softer target for this kind of offensive.

Meanwhile, the indications are that the current 'truce' where tariffs on China are only at 30% will be extended, even though the US has far more reason to resent China on all fronts than India. Probably because of their leverage on rare earth minerals, their willingless to bribe Trump's cronies, and Trump's preference for dictators.

1-randomonium

I would agree with the article if this was between two professional negotiating teams.  
The problem is I doubt even the White house knows what tariff Trump will impose next.

India had recently signed trade deals with Australia and the UK and we are close to signing   
one with the EU. There were similar problems of India allowing access to agricultural products and dairy. There was no way we could agree to US demands when we said no to others (and our interlocutors understood our sensitivities). The deals with the UK and Australia were signed with give and take on both sides. 

The premise behind trade deals is that both sides seek to strengthen trade by removing bottlenecks, acting within WTO commitments and with compromise on both sides. A trade deal is not a mafia style shakedown. The Indian public was riled not just by Trump making repeated references to stopping the war, but hosting the Pak army chief (not the elected head of state) after the latter appeared at a state funeral of US &amp; UN designated terrorists and reiterating Pakistan's support for terror groups. He also referred to India being a dead economy, which is inaccurate when we are the 3rd largest in the world (in PPP) and the fastest growing in the G-20. 

I don't see any statement from Japan, South Korea or Vietnam where they have agreed to the terms Trump says the have. There is a similar lack of clarity over the terms of the EU-US deal.

Dean_46

Basically, Trump wanted India to kiss the ring and confirm to the world that they kissed the ring.

curiousstrider

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After five rounds of trade negotiations, Indian officials were so confident of securing a favourable deal with the United States that they even signalled to the media that tariffs could be capped at 15%.
Indian officials expected U.S. President Donald Trump to announce the deal himself weeks before the August 1 deadline. The announcement never came.

New Delhi is now left with the surprise imposition of a 25% tariff on Indian goods from Friday, along with unspecified penalties over oil imports from Russia, while Trump has closed larger deals with Japan and the EU, and even offered better terms to arch-rival Pakistan.
Interviews with four Indian government officials and two U.S. government officials revealed previously undisclosed details of the proposed deal and an exclusive account of how negotiations collapsed despite technical agreements on most issues.

The officials on both sides said a mix of political misjudgment, missed signals and bitterness broke down the deal between the world's biggest and fifth-largest economies, whose bilateral trade is worth over $190 billion.
The White House, the U.S. Trade Representative office, and India's Prime Minister's Office, along with the External Affairs and Commerce ministries, did not respond to emailed requests for comment.
India believed that after visits by Indian Trade Minister Piyush Goyal to Washington and U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance to Delhi, it had made a series of deal-clinching concessions.
New Delhi was offering zero tariffs on industrial goods that formed about 40% of U.S. exports to India, two Indian government officials told Reuters.

Despite domestic pressure, India would also gradually lower tariffs on U.S. cars and alcohol with quotas and accede to Washington's main demand of higher energy and defence imports from the U.S., the officials said.
"Most differences were resolved after the fifth round in Washington, raising hopes of a breakthrough," one of the officials said, adding negotiators believed the U.S. would accommodate India's reluctance on duty-free farm imports and dairy products from the U.S.
It was a miscalculation. Trump saw the issue differently and wanted more concessions.
"A lot of progress was made on many fronts in India talks, but there was never a deal that we felt good about," said one White House official.

"We never got to what amounted to a full deal - a deal that we were looking for."


OVER-CONFIDENCE AND MISCALCULATION


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who visited Washington in February, agreed to target a deal by fall 2025, and more than double bilateral trade to $500 billion by 2030.
To bridge the $47 billion goods trade gap, India pledged to buy up to $25 billion in U.S. energy and boost defence imports.

But officials now admit India grew overconfident after Trump talked up a "big" imminent deal, taking it as a signal that a favourable agreement was in hand. New Delhi then hardened its stance, especially on agriculture and dairy, two highly sensitive areas for the Indian government.

"We are one of the fastest growing economies, and the U.S. can't ignore a market of 1.4 billion," one Indian official involved in the negotiations said in mid-July.

Negotiators even pushed for relief from the 10% average U.S. tariff announced in April, plus a rollback of steel, aluminium and auto duties.



Later, India scaled back expectations after the U.S. signed trade deals with key partners including Japan, and the European Union, hoping it could secure a similar 15% tariff rate with fewer concessions.

That was unacceptable to the White House. "Trump wanted a headline-grabbing announcement with broader market access, investments and large purchases," said a Washington-based source familiar with the talks.
An Indian official acknowledged New Delhi wasn't ready to match what others offered.

South Korea, for example, struck a deal just before Trump's August 1 deadline, securing a 15% rate instead of 25% by offering $350 billion in investments, higher energy imports, and concessions on rice and beef.

This range plot displays U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff rates or the most recent previously announced or threatened tariff rates for the U.S.'s top trading partners on Aug. 1, 2025.

This range plot displays U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff rates or the most recent previously announced or threatened tariff rates for the U.S.'s top trading partners on Aug. 1, 2025.


COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN

"At one point, both sides were very close to signing the deal," said Mark Linscott, a former U.S. Trade Representative who now works for a lobby group that is close to the discussions between the two nations.
"The missing component was a direct line of communication between President Trump and Prime Minister Modi."
A White House official strongly disputed this, noting other deals had been resolved without such intervention.
An Indian government official involved in the talks said Modi could not have called, fearing a one-sided conversation with Trump that could put him on the spot.

However, the other three Indian officials said Trump's repeated remarks about mediating the India-Pakistan conflict further strained negotiations and contributed to Modi not making a final call.

"Trump's remarks on Pakistan didn't go down well," one of them said. "Ideally, India should have acknowledged the U.S. role while making it clear the final call was ours."

A senior Indian government official blamed the collapse on poor judgment, saying top Indian advisers mishandled the process.

"We lacked the diplomatic support needed after the U.S. struck better deals with Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan and the EU," the official said.
"We're now in a crisis that could have been avoided."
Trump said on Tuesday he would increase the tariff on imports from India from the current rate of 25% "very substantially" over the next 24 hours and alleged that New Delhi's purchases of Russian oil were "fuelling the war" in Ukraine.
WAY FORWARD
Talks are ongoing, with a U.S. delegation expected in Delhi later this month and Indian government officials still believe the deal can be salvaged from here.
"It's still possible," one White House official said.
The Indian government is re-examining areas within the farm and dairy sectors where concessions can be made, the fourth official said. On Russian oil, India could reduce some purchases in favour of U.S. supplies if pricing is matched.
"It likely will require direct communication between the prime minister and the president," said Linscott.
"Pick up the phone. Right now, we are in a lose-lose. But there is real potential for a win-win trade deal."

I think it is a direct impact from the border skirmish earlier in May. The series of fights basically proves that India has no proper means to keep that subcontinent in order. Pakistan, indeed, is much inferior in military power, but it can pose significant threat and damage to India.

TBH, the capability of planning and execution shown by India in that air fight is very much impressive. I dare to say, except US, no NATO country can properly plan and execute an aerial raid with over 70 jet fighters in four to five fronts. But the loss is still unbelievable, and someone or something must be held accountable.

For India, they really don't think that is their fault since they have demonstrated their execution beautifully. PAF has some weapon systems from China, what could India do without F-35A and EA-18G? Nothing.

However, for US, they really cannot admit that China is getting edge on military equipment over NATO, otherwise the confidence within NATO will collapse. 

That is a deadlock for Modi and Trump. They both want the other side to admit something that is one stone away from political, even biological suicide, and of course, they cannot agree on any deals.

Glory4cod

**Submission Statement:**

The United States has paused trade negotiations with India, originally scheduled for late August in New Delhi, according to Indian media reports. The delay is a setback for Indian businesses already facing steep U.S. tariffs currently at 25% and set to rise to 50% on August 27, the highest imposed on any country. Talks, ongoing since February, remain deadlocked over U.S. demands to open India’s farm and dairy sectors and reduce imports of Russian oil. The pause comes as Prime Minister Narendra Modi calls for greater self-reliance, while Indian exporters brace for mounting economic pressure.

donutloop

It's hilarious that refusing to make a deal with Trump often gets you better tariff rates than capitulation.

Currently it's something like 15% if you don't respond, 10% if you make a deal,  but then he takes an interest in your country and starts adding all this additional stuff.

CatGoblinMode

Trump Administration's actions are undermining US' trade relations around the world and turning the US into a protectionist, anti-free trade country, which is unfortunate. 

However, world has grown multipolar in the last 2 decades, driven by China's economic miracle and strong economic growth in India, ASEAN, Brazil and Africa. Several trade agreements have taken shape around the world in the last 2 decades that don't include the US.

Trade/economic/geopolitical groupings that don't include the US and that have the potential to grow and become important drivers of global economic growth in the next few years are:

1. BRICS+, which is now 10-member strong, including 5 of the 10 most populous countries in the world

2. RCEP, which comprises China, Japan, South Korea, ASEAN, Australia, New Zealand. India may be persuaded to join too, which could make RCEP the defining trade pact of the Asian century, similar to post-war Trans Atlantic trade and military alliance (Marshall Plan, GATT, NATO) that defined 20th century's global economic system.

3. Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FoCAC) that defines economic and trade cooperation between China and African Union member states.

4. African Continental Free Trade Area (AfCFTA), covering 43 African Union members as parties and additional 11 AU members as signatories

5. India's trade deals with European countries - India has already signed trade deals with the UK (2025) and EFTA countries Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Liechtenstein (2024); India is in negotiations with EU to sign a trade deal as well.

6. ASEAN's FTAs with China, India, Australia, New Zealand (already in place).

7. Shanghai Cooperation (SCO), which is now 10-member strong, and includes China, India, Russia and Central Asian countries.

8. China's ongoing large trade with the Middle East and India's growing trade with the Middle East are quite important as well. Also India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) is proposed.

9. India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Brazil also maintain important trade relations and forums of their own with African Union member countries

10. China's large ongoing trade relations with Latin America and India's growing trade with this region will be a significant as well!

disc_jockey77

This pause may be related to the uncertainty regarding how Trump views the future of India relationship and it may not be a priority at the moment. They have opened up too many fronts and are struggling to keep up with engagement on so many issues.

Resident_Astronaut87

I mean what is the point. India has signaled that they don't willing to even compromise on importing oil from Russia (not that important to them politically). Good luck touching any actual industry.

petepro

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This is all good but man please just unban aliexpress I have had to throw away so many things because I couldn't find parts for them. My childhood Gameboy body broke in 2 pieces, my Nintendo ds same thing my n3ds xl display went bad, skullscandy headphones which I bought for 10k it's hinge broke so it was unusable and now my Sony wh h900n headphones which also costed my 10k it's charging board is bad but the service center won't repair it and I can't find the part anywhere. Parts for all of this items are available on aliexpress but they won't ship to India.

that1-_guy

Okay now let the chinese investments come in now, fdi fell by 96% from 2023-24 to 2024-25, curbing chinese investments isn't going to help the economy we need all the investment we can get to develop the country having bad relation with china won't help, china has money we need money do joint ventures with chinese companies learn from them then manufacture your own there's no other way india needs to this now any more delay will be too late to develop our own manufacturing. We need good relations with china for 10-15 years, seeing the USA administration the USA won't help india get manufacturing seeing how he is hellbent on moving manufacturing to USA and destroy BRICS. IN VERY SIMPLE TERMS WE NEED CHINA RIGHT NOW IF NOT NOW THEN NEVER.

Trade is good but crony capitalism is deadly

Life_Machine_9694

&gt;That sometimes happened in creative ways. After Goyal told them he was a huge fan of Yes Minister, British negotiators brought him a handwritten note from Jonathan Lynn, one of the show’s co-creators.


The article goes in great detail about how scratching these arseholes' backs was what clinched the deal. 


TL;DR: they didn't care about the country's interests after their British masters made them feel good about themselves. You bet UK gains far more out of this than India, and Indian public gets fucked. 

charavaka

Chinese investments are worst for India. all of their phone companies just want to sell in India while samsung and apple want to export from India

settayi

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